“In this dialogue, Salvadore Poe and Kat van Oudheusden discuss the shift from endless spiritual descriptions to the actual practice of self-inquiry. They emphasize that while many teachers speak beautifully about non-duality, true liberation requires a deep sense of desperation or suffering to motivate a student to move beyond mere intellectual consumption. The speakers critique “spiritual promiscuity,” where seekers constantly browse different teachings without commitment, and instead advocate for “digging a hole” by sticking with one consistent method. They explain that the recognition of pure being often feels ordinary or even boring to the mind, which can lead to doubt and the false belief that “this can’t be it.” Ultimately, they suggest that freedom is found through a final affirmation or a “yes” to the simplicity of existence, allowing the restless seeking of the ego to finally settle into an ordinary life.”